You mean kind of like how Flock (and to be fair other ALPR companies) seem to call the police for a favor when anyone points a camera in their direction?

https://ancillary-proxy.atarimworker.io?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.atlantanewsfirst.c...

Wrong person to put that out to man. I grew up, QUITE LITERALLY, on the wrong side of the tracks. Yes when "wrong side of the tracks" was a literal thing. When "salt and pepper" teams existed for that reason. What you call a "bad neighborhood" was just home. Also it wasn't like the "bad" part of the neighborhood wasn't accentuated by the powers that be to ensure that as few people as possible got ahead and out.

You have a rather ignorant view of how police, even the judicial system itself, works. The pay isn't low because it's blue collar. They literally don't want brighter people to choose the work. Calling a judge an expert on innocence of guilt shows you are hilariously uneducated view of the legal system.

I'm sorry you grew up in a red state like Methissippi, but then you should really know what many cops are like: Violent, self-serving, abusive, pieces of crap. I grew up in as much fear of cops as I did of criminals. Why? Because the criminals knew I lived in the neighborhood and where to find me. The cops just looked at me and saw another powerless target. I'm not sorry but I have friends who volunteer with abuse victims who can give you chapter and verse on how crappy cops treated them when they called in about their husbands or boyfriends or girlfriends. I have people I know who worked with sex workers who will tell you the first person who abused them was a cop. For Flock: I think we've seen enough videos about cops rolling in with SWAT or tactical response gear for something that could've been resolved IF THEY MANUALLY RAN THE LICENSE PLATE. Quit pouting.

Did you hear me say, "Defund the police!" or something? *checks thread* Nope, not once. In fact I'm a firm believer in funding the police to do police work. I'm also a believer in having other people do work police are not suited to at all, for example mental health calls. That being said I'm also on point with ending qualified immunity. The logic is the same as "You do the crime, you do the time." because it's a deterrence to officers committing crimes. For that same reason I'm all for ending a fair chunk of immunity for federal agents, eliminating any vestiges of the so-called USA PATRIOT Act, and so on.

I see a lot of pointlessness in Flock, especially given their error rate. Worse than that, I see nothing but potential abuse, something the police and Flock have proven relentlessly. Keep in mind, however, that I apply that to ALL of the ALPR / SIGINT (frequency tracking) / Facial Recognition / et al. surveillance systems. To add to that pile of suck is they are all massive nightmares from a national security perspective.

Grow up.

should accept they will be paying 91% taxes for the benefits of society.

According to the propaganda Flock promotes their company also causes auto theft because auto theft in Denver fell after the city canceled their Flock contract.

because they encourage laziness. They also encourage a whole host of petty, or even outright dangerous, behaviors in people who aren't always the most stable. ON top of that it doesn't matter if it's the government, or a private company, building a database of everyone's movements: THIS IS STILL A TERRIBLE IDEA!

I'd argue it's even worse if a private company does it because how long will it take for a third party (corporations) to start abusing it? When they start selling access to corporations, of course.

What? Did you think this would remain a government only tool?

No they just don't like cops who have a brain and can think instead of just following orders. When you want a force that just walks out and beats down people you don't want someone who has actual empathy / emotional intelligence / fill in word, the ability to reason independently, and who actually looks for information. Tehy certainly don't want a situation where police might prioritize say, something else over property crimes.

I'm not going to claim that cops were Sherlock Holmes or actual geniuses, but we (America in particular) prioritized the ability to blindly follow orders.

Tell that to Tesla because they're wetting their pants at the thought of the company being annihilated by regulators at the same time as liability lawyers.

This just needs to be treated as product liability, and then we start letting trial lawyers shred the companies. I can pretty much guarantee they'll find evidence the C-Suite, desperate to keep the hype train running as they barrel to IPO, that they created this intentionally.

At that point the intent makes it criminal.

Well you see, it's Schrödinger's LLM:

The LLM is simultaneously a failure at running a simple vending machine, while simultaneously being a world ending super intelligence already plotting the annihilation of humanity.

Let's stop calling this AI. There no intelligence, no will, and no curiosity. These are all Barnum statement generators that have been programmed to use flattering and reflective phrase to fool the marks.

Simpler than that:

"YOU GOTTA BUY IT MAN! I have got to pay back Marc Andreessen and the other VC's or I'll never get another VC investment again! Maybe if I'm real lucky I'll be so rich I'll never have to go begging for money again like you poors!"

Here's a hint: This isn't a conspiracy to "bake in a lead" or "stop others" or other nonsense.

The greatest conspiracy is that there is no real conspiracy, just people acting out of greed and/or self interest. Dario and Sam doom trolling lets people get money elsewhere in the chain, which is why you see them doom trolling as well. Dario and Sam doom trolling lets people who still have shares in OpenAI / Anthropic to protect the value of those shares in the run up to IPO

Let's all take a collective breath, and look at what these things can actually do. Let's support the media that stops and actually investigates the capabilities, financials, and ROI of the models.

Once we do that LLM's are likely going to go down in financial history as VC dumpster fires.

Preferably, but even in areas where police fight tooth and nail to keep them we can fix the problem. Granted the fix will probably result in them being removed.

The fix is a couple parts:
1) Requiring a warrant issued by a state judge to access the cameras at all, with the requirement that the officer personally testify to facts. No fobbing it on random informant, they are required to own it.
2) Accessing the cameras without a warrant is a felony worth a minimum of 5 years in prison, but up to 10 years.
3) Regular transparency conducted by an independent group, not associated with the police.
4) Since we're dealing with cameras make it a felony worth 10 years in prison to hamper, mute, disable, modify, or otherwise obstruct, the operation of a body / dash camera during an interaction or when discussing an interaction. No blocking the camera, mic, or secret conversations with your coworkers.

Of course the ideal solution will be to keep pushing for these things to be shoved off into oblivion.

As a side note, if they try to claim that a warrant is too high a burden because "it needs to happen fast" or whatever false emergency situation they dream up, then ask them again if the cameras are active surveillance. They have to say no. Then you can remind them that it's not hot pursuit or anything similar since they're looking at historical, not real-time, data so they should be able to take a few minutes to get a judge to issue a warrant over the phone.

Wait, that's not what we're being sold. We're being told it's just about, or possibly is, AGI that can do ANYTHING and could decide to KILL HUMANITY!!!!

/snicker

I think Benn Jordan, and others, have proven that the ALPR companies are pretty much incompetents at information security.

Can you even trust locally deployed models? Maybe if they're completely isolated from the outside, but remember that OpenAI and Anthropic like to claim their models are SUPER HACKERS ABLE TO BREAK ANY SANDBOX now. So you'd have to install them on an air-gapped compute cluster and only allow direct access. That's an awful expensive system with limited utility, but the alternative is the board finds out you lost trade secrets due to incompetence.

Remember to remind everyone that, according to OpenAI and Anthropic, the only safe solution is to run all models in local air-gapped systems entirely cut off from the Internet. (lol)

Most people I know haven't had the degradation issue, although I have seen it in some people. I find a bigger problem is people believing bad data/ information provided by LLM's over Subject Matter Experts (SME) who are providing information from the field.

They also react very negatively to you when you show them that they were given bad information.